That's not how console sales go nowadays. In the short-term, they won't be getting any profit from sales of the consoles.

It will cost Sony approx. 25% more than the sale price to even manufacture the machines. Xbox is in the same boat.

I just read some news on gamespot that Crytech might be in for PS3. For the game Crysis of course.

That kind of thing is unfortunate, but it is very common. At least they were caught before they were shipped.

Xbox had it's share of problems too, after shipping. Units would crash all the time, overheat, and even scratch disks.

Sony supposedly was going to ship the units anyway but were stopped,
thank god for ISO certifications

I think XBOX 360 is more popular because it also hooks up to the Ipod, and the Ipod has been the gadget of the year for very long and has sold millions world wide. The Ipod and XBOX are compatible and if millions have the Ipod wouldn't those same millions buy XBOX 360 instead of PS3 since the Ipod is compatible with XBOX?
And I heard Nintendos DS was selling a lot more then Ipod now? Mabey Nintendo will come out with something to beat both PS33 and Xbox 360, but I don't think thats likely Nintendos for little kids and the grafics arent as great as ps3

1. Why is it always kids who say that Nintendo is only for kids?
   Are they trying to sound old? or tough?
   
2. Graphics aren't everything.

I know you are too young to remember this,
but videogames used to be about having fun, not "grafix"

Funny thing is that I have a NES console (that still works perfectly)
and it is almost 8 years older than you are
lol

I have the oldest Nintendo, The Atari I think it's called? You know with the box controllers and stuff? Haha that thing is great. I have the first Mario and Super Mario Bro's 3. Priceless games. The best thing is those games are easier to beat than the ones now.

I mainly just buy sports games and something like a Grand theft auto or NFS underground to play for my Ps2. I don't play that much, just whenever.

Yeah, kids these days, eh?

My Commodore 64 is even older.

Ya, but its such and eye soar watching old games, I still got my Nintendo 64 Gameboy pocket and all those games, but im 13 and I don't play the games that much because I need to study a lot more and practice sports, but I'm not trying to act old I'm just saying that games like Mario (nintendo) are getting boring oviously Grand Theft Auto is more fun. But thats just my opinion

Dont worry, I meant no disrespect at all

See there is a difference,
I don't mind GTA for about 3 hours or so,
but driving around doing the same things over and over gets boring after a little while

PS
GTA has some of the worst graphics of this generation,
probably because it was designed for PS2

Wow. Where'd you hear that? Is it perhaps someone's 'speculation'?

I would be disappointed to find out that I received a defective unit that was shipped even though Sony already knew it was defective. But hey, I guess that's part of the biz. There's some number, like 30,000 units out of 1 million, that's actualy an acceptible rate of defects.

I can understand that it is possible that shipping 30,000 units is less expensive than replacing them all later. But that doesn't mean it is a good 'customer service' idea.

The better they make the game system the more problems, I had to fix my PS2 twice the first time I got it fixed under warrenty the next time it broke the day after the warrenty!!!!!And my dad wrote my names on the games (the back of the cd) so they dont work, never write your name on the games.

I wish I could find the link to the article (still looking)

You never bought a PS2 did you?

Yup ... Colecovision was by far my favourite console. HOw bout the VIC20 where games came in casette tapes LOL. I even had a console version of PONG for goddsakes.


Does anyone remember Gemini or intellivision LOL

I still have my Commodore64 and the original box it came in
(talk about nostalgia)

My C64 plays tapes, cartridges, and 5-1/4" floppies


I think I still have my Intellivision as well (buried in my crawlspace)
I used to play Advanced Dungeons and Dragons for hours on end

wasn't Colecovision just a newer version of Intellivision?

I dunno that for sure. I know that after a while they sold an adaptor that allowed you to play atari 2600 games. it was just a sweet machine but had a problem reading the cartridges (which like every game back in the day FOUND a way to get that dam thing working).

i think they say nintendo is more for kids becuase a bulk of their games so apeal more to kids than teenagers/adults. This nintendo Wii (revolution was such a good name, dont know why they changed it) i think is going to be the most succesful console nintendo has made since the NES days. The idea is incredible, for all those people ive seen that try to move the controller in the old days to help their character jump(ive seen so many), now u can. The lesser graphics problem will be overcome by the sheer fun that people will have playing this...and the price point does not hurt either.

On a side note, even though they said the prioce wont drop i still think they will, i just dont think they want sony to expect it and then lower their prices to compete better. Microsoft will do anything to win (see, how microsoft started if you do not believe me), and this is one of the best ways to do so. If their prices are not that much more that even the Wii, why not pay 100 bucks more for the system

PS. U have a NES that works? im impressed, mine broke down about 5 years ago, and u had to blow in the cartridge and hit reset 27 times before it would work properly (thank you roms )

Yes. I did.

I never had any problems with it, it still works fine. It's still my main DVD player.

But I did the same thing I'm going to do with the PS3: Wait until the first wave of units have gone through the stores. As with any large-scale product launch, the rate of defects is much higher in the first wave of production.

I can't remember exactly when I bought my PS2, but there was snow on the ground and it was during the season the Raptors 1st went to the playoffs. Oh, and I also remember paying $450 dollars for it too.

I fully intend on purchasing a PS3 (largely because I was very please with my PSOne and PS2), but I'm not going to be lining up to but it 1st day out. I fully intend to wait and see if there are any problems or if it bombs alltogether.

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I certainly don't want to go into the direction of a 'console war' (personally, I don't have any feelings towards or against any of the other consoles), but Tech, you really seem to be a Sony hater. You seem to know every little bad detail ever associated with Playstations.

One of the best selling RPGs of all time was a Disney RPG called Kingdom Hearts,
I knew a lot of older gamers that loved it
(never played it myself)

I AGREE MORE THAN YOU COULD EVER KNOW

I have 3 NESs that all work perfectly (flea markets)

BTW contrary to popular belief,
blowing in a cartridge is probably the worst thing you can do to one
the moisture in your breath will corrode the contacts and other electronics
(I'm not saying that I never did it...because I did...MANY times)


I have owned both Sony consoles and have had nothing but issues with them.
As a matter of fact I have owned pretty much every console ever released
(except neo geo)

PS..don't get me started on my XBox

In case anyone hasn't noticed,
I am a video game junkie

Yeah, I remember the days jerking that silly rectangular Nintendo controller, trying to get Mario to jump across those moving platforms.

For those wanting to play with a controller like that, but don't want to buy a Nintendo system, not to worry, Sony has ripped them off. The Playstation 3 controller will also have a motion sensor system.

oops, probably one of the reasons my games stopped working, defenitly did not know that.

also, kingdom hearts was also based off of disney characters, which is kid like...also was on playstation, so how bout that.

At our age, how can we not be?

We've been through it all. Evolution. Revolution. Re-evolution.

From Pong to Halo...we've seen it all.

ya but i really dont think it will be used to the extent of the nintendo, nor with the same sensibility. Nintendo's system is based entirly around that gimmick, so their console will have more precise control over it.

The PS3 controller is far inferior (motion sensing wise) to the Wiimote.

It only senses 3-axis tilt, while the Wiimote has positional sensing as well
and the analog attachment (for Wii) also has tilt sensitivity.
So you can use BOTH hands

True. And I've heard as much reported. Nintendo has gone to great lengths with their innovative design.

The PS3 controller will be able to detect multi-axis motion. For me, if all I can do is steer a car by tilting the controller, I'm set.

[Edit] For BBM, even if it only tilted to the left, he'd still be set.

Dam always did that.


I found with NES if you perfectly positioned it before you pressed down on the cart it would work 9 times out of 10

LOL
yeah i used to pull the cartridge out so that it JUST fit in.
it seemed to work ok...

I thought this was the controler it looks so ulgy reminds me of star wars (looks like a ship) it also looks like the XBOX controler.

Thx Chamilatary for this pic.

Man, you guys were nice to your machines.

With my buddy's NES, we used to kick it or step on it. The cover has broken off, and one of the front corners cracked and fell off. As far as I know, it still works...most of the time.


That's old. It's been redesigned.

It will look nearly exactly like the PS2 controller.

Tech yes thats EXACTLY what i used to do

yep, and in my opinion that may have been a mistake
every other group is coming out with revolutionary ideas and controls...and they stay the same... may not affect many peoples decisions, but not improving on the idea since PS1 is a long time.

Also curious, one thing im not sure about with playstation is if they will be able to use the old controllers on it, i know the new ones are wireless as well, so im not sure if they have a port for it on the console

The only difference is the button in the middle
(i think its something to do with the online service)

oh...and it's wireless


PS1 controllers weren't compatable with PS2 so I doubt it

It may be. It's certainly a gamble.

They tried redesigning it, but the outcry was incredible. So they changed it back.

Since the PSOne, has there really been a better controller? They had the best, and looks like they are sticking with the best.

I always preferred the GameCube controller (wavebird especially) over the Dual-Shock
To each his own...

i thought they had like a sorta new controller they designed for ps1 that had the 2 thumsticks that were just for rumble pretty much, and those were compatible for the ps2...not the original ones

Remember the Sega Dreamcast. I know it was a bust but for its time it was a dam good console

im not sure cuz i have not tried it yet, but the nerd outcry on attack of the show for one says that the 360 controller is the best controller they have ever used, most comfertable for the hand

Everything about Dreamcast was awesome, except for the controller
quite uncomfortable

Is the playstation Controler Wireless,theres a lot of problems with that plus they weight more if their wireless, it always disconects does anyone have wireless with XBOX?

that, and the fact that the memory card image thing was kinda useless, only thing i know it was useful for was the nfl games...which it was VERY useful for when playing 2 player nfl, u could call ur plays only showing on that, so the other guy could not c it

Funny how some great consoles just don't hit the mainstream and they are awesome.


TURBO GRAFIX 16 baby



I've used the wireless XBOX360 once before and found it fine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_2

i knew they had that as part of their carry over idea to get people who owned the old playstation to get the new and not have to shell out more money for controllers

You will be able to download and play ALL TurboGrafix16 games on Wii

VIRTUAL CONSOLE BABY!!!


Take my advice...Dont trust Wikipedia for facts (it's written by regular joes)

I have the joysticks for PS1 and mine dont work in my PS2

maybe it did not work, but it was supposed to was it not?

That really sucks cuz I got 2 PS1 controllers and it works fine on my PS2
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Bringing to the point. I dont think video games are about statistics, profits, pros and cons, specs.

Video games were meant to hav fun with. Looking too deep will lead you no where like arguements and comparing crap. IMO None of the consoles beats each other.

I love them all.

HURRAY!!!
fades back and..swish...book it

sry, ill be quite now

*shakes fist*

WHY MUST IT ALWAYS BE ME!?!?!

My controllers must be slightly older or something

I love gamecube controllers, they fit perfect in your hand.

Once I saw an Xbox advertising showing off their wireless controllers and showing how cool they are. I said, "That's not new!" wavebirds had been out long before the 360. They made it seem like it was their idea.

Tech I think you got a different PS2 version or somthin... or it might be the game also. Some games dont allow PS1 controllers. But in a rare case.

Speaking of versions, this is why I wait for half price cuz they fix up all the bugs fromt he start.

yep, another reason 360 is coming my way this christmas season